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Post by soporific » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:32 am

I only just decided to visit this thread on a whim, as I thought I'd retired from modding MS OSes, but.... the urge to make a new one is simmering.... who wants a new version?

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by LordDan » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:50 am

I'll admit, it would be nice to see an updated version with all the Windows Updates included along with more current releases of the extra software. :)

I'm getting a new computer in the not-too-distant future and it would be nice to put a clean install of this on it instead of the pre-installed Win10 (which I'm still not entirely all-in on yet, and still prefer Win7... for now anyway).

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by ajdedo » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:14 am

I still happily run WinBorg 7 and have no interest in moving to 10 just yet.

But there is a small niche that I would appreciate seeing something created....

After experiencing a malware attack last week, and being forced to make a clean install of my OS, I lamented not having an ultimate rescue boot disk. Something that runs on a USB drive and has a mini OS with all the tools to scan, clean, and repair, my main installation. Something with a bunch of repair tools to run live. Of course being on USB, it could also hold WinBorg, Office, other software, and anything else it could fit in 32 gigs. ;)

That would be sweet.... Maybe WinBorg repackaged to run off USB along side a Windows 7 live version with tools and software?

Just sayin' ;)

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:55 pm

LordDan wrote:I'll admit, it would be nice to see an updated version with all the Windows Updates included along with more current releases of the extra software. :)

I'm getting a new computer in the not-too-distant future and it would be nice to put a clean install of this on it instead of the pre-installed Win10 (which I'm still not entirely all-in on yet, and still prefer Win7... for now anyway).
Would be nice to have an updated Winborg7 ;-)

It seems several "updates" should be left out if possible, such as the telemetry crap, and perhaps other stuff I don't even know about, since I'm not following the Windows scene closely enough.

e.g. https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads ... id.379151/

I don't think DX12 will ever be available on Win7. Maybe Vulkan will be, though?

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:17 pm

Hey sop,

I read that "individual patches will no longer be available".

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/08/2 ... s-7-and-81
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/win ... ndows-8-1/

Won't this make modding more complicated? (For removing telemetry crap, for instance)

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by soporific » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:45 am

maze438 wrote:Hey sop,

I read that "individual patches will no longer be available".

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/08/2 ... s-7-and-81
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/win ... ndows-8-1/

Won't this make modding more complicated? (For removing telemetry crap, for instance)

Regards.
There are ways around it. One that springs readily to mind is running the Never10 app when setup finishes. Google it.

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Post by ajdedo » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:25 am

soporific wrote:
ajdedo wrote:I'm trying to install this on a Win 10 machine with a UEFI bios.

I can get the computer to boot in to the PELive screen, but the "install Windows" icon is not showing.

I also can not see the USB directory when in PELive.

Thanks.
Elmojo is correct, all the old Winborg projects are missing the drivers needed to recognise a UEFI MB. I plan on releasing a test project that will be small in size for peeps to test on their machines. Coming soonish...
OH OH OH OH! I didn't see this response until now!

Well I spent 2 weeks on this, unsuccessfully. But I did learn what my problem was (because I got a regular Windows 7 ISO to work, but still not WinBorg).

I need USB 3.0 drivers and an NVM Express hotfix 2990941 integrated.

I can find the NVM Express drivers and installation instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2990941

I followed those instruction and like I said, I got a regular Winows 7 ISO to work, but still not WinBorg.

I tried adding them to (sources/install.wim) on WinBorg, but that wasn't enough.

Can you tell me which files on the WB ISO I need to add the USB 3.0 drivers and the NVM Express hotfix (.msu) to so that Winborg will work?

Oh, and it needs to be bootable with UEFI/GPT ;-)

Thanks!

P.S. I started using Easy2Boot http://www.easy2boot.com/ for my installations. Very cool since it will hold several ISOs on 1 USB drive.

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by soporific » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:49 am

I have officially started work on the new build, a release is about a month away...

* It will only be x64
* It will be over 4.38 GB so you will need to install via USB (or burn a double-sided DVDr)
* It will include an apps library
* It will be awesome

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:43 am

ajdedo wrote:Can I get MS Office, Photoshop, and a safe copy of Roboform?
It saddens me to see so much dependence on proprietary apps; even when there are perfectly good free software alternatives.
(Sop, can you provide a few in the apps library?)

Please give LibreOffice a try.
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

I also hear GIMP has greatly improved in the past few years.
https://www.gimp.org/downloads/

As for password managers, I don't know if the alternatives are good enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_password_managers

One day, games will no longer be exclusive to Windows, and we will be able to replace even the operating system.

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by ajdedo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:01 am

maze438 wrote:
ajdedo wrote:Can I get MS Office, Photoshop, and a safe copy of Roboform?
It saddens me to see so much dependence on proprietary apps; even when there are perfectly good free software alternatives.
Yeah, but the ones I listed are good. The open source don't compare. Except maybe the password managers which I haven't tried.

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:44 pm

ajdedo wrote:
maze438 wrote:
ajdedo wrote:Can I get MS Office, Photoshop, and a safe copy of Roboform?
It saddens me to see so much dependence on proprietary apps; even when there are perfectly good free software alternatives.
Yeah, but the ones I listed are good. The open source don't compare. Except maybe the password managers which I haven't tried.
Could you point out the areas where LibreOffice 5.2 is lacking vs Microsoft Office?

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by ajdedo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:31 pm

MS Office is just better. When you make a pivot table in excel, you can drag and drop the rows and columns right on the same page as the table results.

With Photoshop, there is nothing else out there that is comparable.

Open source is great for the casual user who does whatever for themselves, and I use it all the time when it comes to practically everything else. CD emulators, ISO mounters, HD Partitioners, Duplicate files finders, PDF readers and editors, etc... They're all open source. I have no doubt it will take over the world one day. But when it comes to the two I mentioned above, I prefer to use the Photoshop and MS Excel. And besides, since I'm not actually paying for it, what difference does it make?

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:47 pm

ajdedo wrote:And besides, since I'm not actually paying for it, what difference does it make?
MS might be tolerating that kind of piracy precisely because 1) you wouldn't pay for the software anyway 2) having easy access to familiar software like Office removes any incentive for someone to try alternatives such as LibreOffice. OK, I'm done preaching ;-)

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by soporific » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:06 am

Regarding what goes into the apps library:

* I am reluctant to add programs that take up lots of space, for example, if I included MS Office 2010, it would add 2.24GB to the library size (including the updates) -- that's simply too big!! I WANT to, but we still don't live in a world where everyone has super-fast bandwidth to enjoy. More and more people don't have caps to worry about (e.g like me! I can't use all my allocated data, my D/L speed isn't fast enough to use it all) so I'm not so much worried about releasing an 8 GB project in total. I do, however, want to release the best possible apps library, which means I have to be smart about what gets in.
* If there is an installer that handles both 32-bit and 64-bit, that is what I have included in the library. So the library will still be somewhat useful on machines that already have a 32-bit OS.
* Please keep suggesting apps to go into the library, I will try to include them all.
* If you use a cracked version of a program that you want included, and I may not know where to grab it from, please upload it and send me a link.

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by soporific » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:37 am

hey guys, news: It looks like I won't make my xmas deadline, the apps library needs more work. Sorry! Instead of rushing, I plan on releasing Winborg 7 January 2017 as soon as it's ready. The earliest date is the 10th of Jan but I'm aiming for around about the 20th of Jan.

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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:34 am

Weird, it looks like my previous post was lost...
I was pointing out that LibreOffice is a 213 MB download, for 99% of the MS Office functionality.
See link in my post from Nov 17.
soporific wrote:hey guys, news: It looks like I won't make my xmas deadline, the apps library needs more work. Sorry!
Heya sop,

It's your baby, so you can do whatever floats your boat.
IMHO, the important part in the release is the OS, so (to me) it's strange to delay the OS for a few apps.
(I rarely use the bundled apps; maybe I'm missing out on great software, but such is life.)

Regards.
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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by maze438 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:15 pm

Heya,

I see that my post's been edited. I can understand the need for some editing, in very specific circumstances.

It would be nice for the editor to clearly specify who/what/why/when.
Who edited the post? What was edited? Why was it edited? When was it edited.

Silently editing posts is a very slippery slope...


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Re: WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by LordDan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:34 pm

Maze,

It says it was edited by YOU 11 minutes after you posted it... When the moderators edit posts, they will always note that they did it, although not always indicating why, but usually they'll note something for a reason (such as 'not following posting rules', but not necessarily indicating exactly what rule was broken).

With rare exception, I've seen it when the moderators edit posts, and they've always been in appropriate taste and consistency when doing so.

fyi

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WinBorg.7.Ultimate.SP1.x64.March.(2015)-SOPORIFIC

Post by soporific » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:43 am

Question for WinBorg users: who can't use a USB drive to install WinBorg 7 ?

If you think you can't, either you are using a very old and crappy machine (we're talking 8+ yrs old), or you simply haven't setup your BIOS correctly. I have an old laptop that I only use to test stuff out on and for some reason I had the BIOS setup wrong and it wasn't recognising my USB hard drive. I plugged it in, fiddled around in BIOS (the fix for me was going into the Boot Menu and then the Boot Order list), saved my changes to the BIOS, rebooted and I was able to boot from my USB drive.

I say all this because in order to install Winborg 7 January 2017 (size is currently 6.40 gigs) you will need to use a USB drive unless you go out a buy a DVD+R DL or DVD-R DL disc and your burner can handle that type of disc. And setup will take much longer from disc as well, so try and get your PC able to boot from a USB hard drive.

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by LordDan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:45 am

In today's world where drives are measured in terabytes and thumbdrives are so inexpensive, it doesn't make sense to worry about how large the file is going to be or the fact that decade old hardware can't run it. While I'm sure there are a few out there that are running a computer bought before the start of the century, I suspect the bulk of us are running something a little more current.

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:50 pm

NEWS: Sigh, I could probably release before I go to bed but I'd be rushing things and the last thing I want to do is have to re-release a 6.50 GB project. So the release is delayed by about 22 hours from the time of this post, sorry guys, I hate missing deadlines. But it's ready when it's ready and not a moment before.

To make it up to you, here's a list of improvements so you somewhat know what is coming:
  • Themes have been added to the apps library, I searched through about 500 to find the best 40. Only installed if you select from apps library. I've only pre-installed 3 things so it's as lean an install as possible:
    -> Autoruns 13.62 (available as a Control Panel applet)
    -> Microsoft .Net Framework 4.62 (removable via the Control Panel -> Programs and Features)
    -> Sop's Win7 x64 CPL Pack 2017 (removable via the Control Panel -> Programs and Features)
    - these things can be changed via customization, which is easy.
  • Ditto with fonts for your system, I've packaged up about 1500 over 5 or so packs. All usage types catered for, from "I only need a few" to "give me all you've got".
  • I've come up with a new installer system for the apps library that uses less space and takes up less time to install. A vast improvement on all previous libraries.
  • Windows 7 is now a monster to update all the way to showing no critical updates to install when you visit Windows Update. It took a while but I managed it. Although you need to be connected to the internet during setup. If you aren't connected, then you'll have 1 update to install. Try to be connected when your PC reboots from the desktop for the second time. If you are connected by LAN you don't have to worry, but if you need to enter a wireless password, do it in the minute you have when you are warned that the PC needs rebooting before you can use it. I only confirmed this was the case about 60 minutes ago. I was freaking out about 4 hours ago when I noticed the 1 'critical' update to install which has caused the holdup. All of this will be documented in the Read Me. Honestly, the things I uncovered while researching why some updates can't be slipstreamed, how Microsoft ever became a profitable company is beyond me.
  • I have created an Apps task list that lists apps by what you might use them for. This is taking longer than expected but I am finding it extremely useful compiling the list and all my findings will be summarized so you can find the app for your task. There are things I didn't know you could do and now you will find this out too! It also allowed me to find out which apps were actually crap and not worth including. The apps library is much more useful due to this now.
  • The apps library contains about 150 titles.
  • 64-bit apps: I have only included 64-bit versions of apps where it is at all possible there is a benefit from having access to more than 4GB of RAM. Any app that has a simple job to do does not fall into this category and so was not included. Lots of space was saved applying this philosophy.
  • The Windows folder is a bit leaner than previous editions, I've removed more things than before, still all safe to do.
  • I've added a better driverpack method: you can avoid driverpacks altogether and install from a storage drive during setup. I use this method exclusively now. The Read Me will have more on this.
  • USB 3.0 drivers have been slipstreamed for a faster install (you should be able to use 3.0 speeds during setup for USB installs).
  • I've increased the amount of things you can customize
There's lots of little improvements as well, I've worked long and hard on the polishing so it looks great. Coming soon... 22 hours to go...

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:59 am

NEWS: I'm about an hour late but I am very glad I choose to wait a day. I found a new treasure trove of apps that helped me update a few and add some more titles to the library. I also discovered another trick to save even more space for apps. I've finished everything, just finalizing documentation.

I am just going to take a break, then I will start preparing the release documentation. Hopefully I will be able to go to bed before midnight ;)

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:30 pm

WinBorg 7 January 2017 is finally out, grab it from here:

http://sharethefiles.com/forum/viewtopi ... 0&t=242600

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:39 pm

I spoke too soon, I've noticed a problem and it's important enuff and early enough to pull this version and fix. PROPER coming soon...

EDIT: I can handle one little mistake, but there was a big one in the codecs installer and it could possibly interfere with other installs so I thought I should fix it. I am testing in with a VM totally using a RAM disk so everything is super fast. I forgot to take this into account, oops. Just waiting for WinRAR to finish...

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:21 pm

The fixed version now available

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:50 am

NEWS: far out :( ... I think there's problem with the apps library. It doesn't even load. I fixed one little problem but didn't do a complete full test. I am crying inside right now. The fix will be tiny in size but it will be a small hassle to insert. Sigh. I will do more investigations and report back soon ...

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:55 am

I have found the problem, it's a stupid special character at the start of the CONFIG.JS file. I will package the fixed file now and make it available. It's not the end of the world I keep telling myself but the entire apps library won't work if people only have access to the original RAR package and miss or don't have access to the updated CONFIG.JS file. Oh well.

EDIT: the fix has been posted. The lesson learned here is that you can't ever skip the testing phase, even if you've only fixed something small!

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:32 am

Full instructions to add the fixed file:

1. Unpack the RAR archive.
2. Mount the ISO file that is inside the RAR archive. There are many programs you can use to achieve this, my favourite easy one can be found here:
http://wincdemu.sysprogs.org/
- this will add the WinBorg image to your filesystem so you can access it.
3. Copy the contents of the WinBorg image (the ISO) to a separate folder. Let's call this folder the new build
4. Replace the bad file with the fixed version. Instructions as to finding the file are included with the fix.
5. Make any other adjustments (highly recommended, see the ReadMe for details)
6. Look for the MakeDVD folder (in the new build) and use the utility inside it to remake the DVD.

It really isn't that hard. And by the time you have downloaded the original ISO, I will be making available another update that will fix any other problems I come across. I've already found one, Networx won't install because of a typo. Hopefully that is the only one.

Another addition to the instructions about replacing the config.js file:

* The other way to do it is to make the USB install and replace the bad file on your USB. It will save you remaking the DVD image.

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:14 am

NEWS: Due to the big mistake with the config.js file, and the fact that I can see a few more improvements that i can make, I will be releasing a new WinBorg 7 probably in March or April this year. If you have any suggestions for it, please say something now!

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Re: soporific's WinBorg Discussion

Post by soporific » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:59 am

Okay, MEGA NEW NEWS: The next version of WinBorg 7 will blow all previous versions out of the water! Especially January 2017!

Here's a short list of major changes:

* I now use sysprep to install all the updates, meaning there's none left to update when you install the OS (you don't have to wait while the 'last minute' updates' get installed). Thanks to the original creator of LastOS for the help!

* I will be using Win8pe to boot the disc, it replaces Win7pe. This means that newer hardware will automatically be recognized and you won't have USB 3.0 issues. I know some people will be very happy with this news, AJ in particular.

* and lastly, I will be attempting to use a ESD file instead of a WIM file to install the OS: it uses MUCH less space: for a 4.48 GB WIM, this translates to a 2.21 GB ESD .... half the size!!! Means the project will be smaller and more space to put apps. This is quite tricky though and so I might not get this working... but that's the goal.

This does mean that a new version isn't just around the corner, but if all goes well, you can expect a new version in a couple of weeks, maybe earlier.

Stay tuned...

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