Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by sildragon » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:31 am

deadbodyman wrote:You can find a little WD media player, usb/wifi, that will play everything. 8-)

(except those RUDOS mp4 files I have mentioned :( )
Just tested UFC.On.FX.Guillard.vs.Miller.HDTV.x264-RUDOS.mp4 on a WDTV (Gen1) and it works for me.

Also works in Logitech Media Player version 2.0 and aVia 3.1.17851.
freneticvirus wrote:and for those still using them, the original xbox with one of the later xbmc releases plays the new standards fine :)
Really? I could have sworn that it had trouble with SD h264 video, so it looks like they made improvements.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by aas82 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:37 pm

When playing of a computer MPC and VLC will still put subtitles on MP4 automatically if they are named the same. Regarding a mediaplayer I use a WD TV Live (about 100$ in my expensive country but I think it is half that in US) in some rooms and that play everything BUT when choosing files you need to pick Network location instead of Media server, if you Mediaserver doesn't add the subtitles to some filetypes, because when using Network location the WD TV Live adds the subtitles itself as it not really streaming but playing from network. Atleast that's how the WD works.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by BFYCanary » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:45 am

I too was a little worried about the new formats as none of my equipment (except PC) could play them either. I always download them on my PC and them watch them on my TV and via USB sticks through my DVD player. After a bit of digging I bought myself a "Sumvision Cyclone Micro 2+" device from my local computer store for the grand sum of £27.34.

I only bought it a few days ago but it has played everything I have tried it with, AVI/MP4/MKV. I haven't made the switch to HDTV yet so I have it plugged in to the AV sockets on my CRT TV. I now have it set up with a 4 port USB hub, 2x 16gb Mem Sticks, and my old 250gb External HDD. I just wish I had a new TV now so I could get the best out of it. :)

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by SaltedNuts » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:37 pm

Did some further reading on this and it looks good. Just bought bought one off amazon for less than £20 +free pp, thanx for the info mate.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by skorpion » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:52 am

BFYCanary wrote:I too was a little worried about the new formats as none of my equipment (except PC) could play them either. I always download them on my PC and them watch them on my TV and via USB sticks through my DVD player. After a bit of digging I bought myself a "Sumvision Cyclone Micro 2+" device from my local computer store for the grand sum of £27.34.

I only bought it a few days ago but it has played everything I have tried it with, AVI/MP4/MKV. I haven't made the switch to HDTV yet so I have it plugged in to the AV sockets on my CRT TV. I now have it set up with a 4 port USB hub, 2x 16gb Mem Sticks, and my old 250gb External HDD. I just wish I had a new TV now so I could get the best out of it. :)
Just treated myself to one of these for £24.99. I have been throwing 1080P mkv files with 5.1 AC3 at it, and it works brilliantly. Thanks for the recommendation !

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by PiE » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:22 am

i know alot of ppl are hating the scene for changing to mp4, but it only takes a few mins to download a codec pack.. and these mp4s are the same quality as avi. and much smaller.. smaller = faster downloads = me happy :D

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Post by shareminator » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:36 pm

PiE wrote:i know alot of ppl are hating the scene for changing to mp4
The scene or just LOL ?
PiE wrote:these mp4s are the same quality as avi.
Same resolution ?


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The scene (= the people recording and releasing TV-series) has new release standards. Most groups are expected to follow it.
In short, starting 2012-02-22 scene standard for PDTV & HDTV (SD) releases is 720x404 resolution / AAC audio / x264 codec / mp4 container.
They are encoded using CRF which produces a bitrate and consequently a filesize appropriate for the material, instead of an arbitrary target filesize.
For more details, see viewtopic.php?f=58&t=213567. ~momijigari

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by sildragon » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:47 am

shareminator wrote:
us11 wrote:Yes Skip your right, I use my X-Box to watch series & films, so if there's no AVI's anymore, it will be a big problem ;)
You mean the old Xbox ? When it was still alive I'm not sure x264 had been released so I doubt the homescene has something for you. Maybe there's an open source media player I don't know. But if you own a 360 then I'm 99% sure that it can play x264 encoded videos !
It can play mp4/h264/aac with the "Optional Media Update". Granted the original xbox and XBMC on it is a little dated, but I do still miss XBMC's fastforward/rewind on the triggers.
djandco wrote:Its almost like Apple have taken over again, dictating the standards everyone should be using.
Apple taking over? They took the relatively simple option of using a different container that made it compatible with a large number of devices that wouldn't have read MKV.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by BFYCanary » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:32 am

Thank you "SaltedNuts" and thank you "skorpion", it's good to hear you're as happy as I am. It still amazes me what that tiny little box can do. :)

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by kamaleon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:55 pm

Having the same issues as most people with the new release standard, I tried to find a workaround to continue watching movies on my TV without having to connect my computer to it. I previously used a player that of course does not recognize either mp4 or mkv....
Like momijigari mentionned, mp4 and mkv are readable on PS3, so U can either use a USB stick or an external HD to plug to your PS3 and watch as before using the PS3. I even enjoy the 5.1 sound now, having an optic cable to my sound system, when my old player only allowed for stereo. An issue is that your external HD has to be formatted in FAT 32, and Windows dos not allow that, U have to download a utility to reformat an old drive for example.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Har ... nife.shtml

U can choose to reformat your old living room media player, but that would come at the expense of the OS, and so you could only use it as a HD and not as a standalone player, so I do not encourage that solution.
Some people mentionned in this thread a media player that costs only 25$ in Amazon, and that allows to read mkv and mp4, obviously a very good solution, only drawback is that again you will need either a USB stick or an external HD to plug in the reader, as it comes without built-in HD: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sumvision-Cyclo ... B0046SD2MK

Alternatively for those irreductibles of the old format, you can reencode your mp4 to avi using a series of available free tools. That takes time, and is ressource demanding on the systems, but if some cannot do without avi that's the way to go: http://www.filehippo.com/es/download_an ... converter/

And for the ones who want a player that can read anything on a PC, vlc is the way to go, or ffdshow with ssdshow. The later comes bundled in a codec pack that I recommend, that also has the Windows MP classic, wich can read mkv and so forth as well, despite being 'classic' (oldies but goodies):

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
http://download.cnet.com/K-Lite-Mega-Co ... 94603.html

And finally, if U want to watch mkv files on your PS3, it is possible, but demands a bit of work and the use of a demuxing program, U can find the complete tutorial here: http://www.manolution.com/2011/06/the-c ... -your-ps3/.
It is a bit longer, but should not take more than 10 minutes per movie, so might be worth its while if U watch movies essentially encoded in mkv (French and Asian for instance).

To finsh this post, for those of you who wonder about the benefits of the new standard:
I was reluctant for the afore mentionned reasons, the way of simplicity always being preferable when it comes to computers, still, having tried to read the mp4 files with my PS3, here is my opinion:

File Size: Traditionnal avi Alcatraz episode more or less 357 Mo - Last episodes in mp4: 257 Mo.... thats a good 30% less so from that perspective, I must say I'm impressed.
Quality: Apart from the improvement in sound because of the optic cord which allows now for 5.1, i must say that the image is super crispy, cristal clear, when I was expecting a serious fall in quality because of the filesize.... most impressive.

As a conclusion, i recommend trying to adapt to the new standard, I believe it is worth the try, and like I said once everybody has renewed its old player for one that accepts all formats, this discussion will seem out of point. The overall encoding process is of better quality with the new formats, and so I believe we should all be happy in the end, not that it will not take some convincing ;)

keep up da good work!!!
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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by Nucleus » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:56 pm

At least, those of us that live in the present time, future for you guys, is extremely pleased with FLAC and x264 :-P

Thanks ! ;-)

(For FLAC, check out NAD C446, THAT is how audio should sound like ....)

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by sildragon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:56 am

The.SD.x264.TV.Release.Standards.2012.Update.1-SDx264:

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ª                  The SD x264 TV Releasing Standards 2012                    ª
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ª x264 has become the most advanced H264 video encoder over the past few      ª
ª years. Compared to XviD, it is able to provide higher quality and           ª
ª compression at greater SD resolutions. It also allows better control and    ª
ª transparency over encoding settings. With CRF in the mix, we can also       ª
ª ensure that a diverse array of material will get the most appropriate       ª
ª bitrate for them and not arbitrarily fixed sizes. This standard aims to     ª
ª bring quality control back to SD releases. There are many standalone        ª
ª players/streamers such as TviX, Popcorn Hour, WDTV HD Media Player, Boxee,  ª
ª Xtreamer, PS3, XBOX 360, iPad, and HDTVs that can playback H264 and AAC     ª
ª encapsulated in MP4.                                                        ª
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ª     such as Yadif. FieldDeinterlace is banned.                              ª
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ª   - Encoded Video resolution must be within 2% of the original aspect ratio ª
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ª   - Subtitles must be muxed into the MP4. "Subs" directories are forbidden. ª
ª   - Burned subtitles will only be allowed when the source exhibits such     ª
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ª     nuke/proper                                                             ª
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ª     and shall not be nuked or propered.                                     ª
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ª     in the NFO                                                              ª
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ª     If there is no league, the sport needs to be used instead               ª
ª     The following are some examples of correct directory names:             ª
ª     - EPL.2010.01.01.Manchester.United.vs.Arsenal.HDTV.x264-GROUP           ª
ª     - TNA.Impact.2010.03.02.HDTV.x264-GROUP                                 ª
ª     - WWE.WrestleMania.2010.PPV.HDTV.x264-GROUP                             ª
ª     - Tennis.US.Open.2011.Final.Player1.vs.Player2.HDTV.x264-GROUP          ª
ª   - Different  shows  that have the same title in different countries (e.g. ª
ª     The Marriage Ref) must have the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 country code in the  ª
ª     directory name, except for UK shows (e.g. The.Marriage.Ref.UK not       ª
ª     The.Marriage.Ref.GB). ISO country code is not needed for the original   ª
ª     show (e.g. The.Marriage.Ref.US is forbidden).                           ª
ª   - Different shows with the same name in the same country produced in      ª
ª     different years must have the year of the first season in the directory ª
ª     name, e.g. Human.Target.2010 and Doctor.Who.2005. Year is not needed    ª
ª     for the first show with a particular name.                              ª
ª   - Channel name (e.g. National.Geographic, History.Channel) shall not be   ª
ª     tagged on any normal series starting after this ruleset's effective     ª
ª     date. Miniseries and single-episode docus may optionally be tagged with ª
ª     the channel name.                                                       ª
ª   - The use of audio format tags such as AAC, and AAC.x.x is FORBIDDEN      ª
ª   - READ.NFO tag is allowed; however, discretion is recommended             ª
ª   - PROPER.READ.NFO is NOT allowed. The NFO is REQUIRED to have a reason;   ª
ª     therefore, the tag is redundant.                                        ª
ª   - All repacks and rerips must include detailed reason as to why it's      ª
ª     being repacked or reripped in the nfo.                                  ª
ª   - Other  permitted  tags are: PROPER, REPACK, RERIP, REAL, UNCUT, DUBBED, ª
ª     SUBBED, iNTERNAL, OAR, PPV, CONVERT, NATiVE                             ª
ª   - Acceptable  characters  in  naming  a  directory  include (NO spaces or ª
ª     double dots - single dots ONLY):                                        ª
ª                                                                             ª
ª       ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ                                            ª
ª       abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz                                            ª
ª       0123456789._-                                                         ª
ª                                                                             ª
ª  Nukes:                                                                     ª
ª   Releases must be nuked for any of the following reasons:                  ª
ª   - Any valid proper listed in the propers section                          ª
ª   - Missing nfo, or missing Sample                                          ª
ª   - Invalid directory naming format                                         ª
ª   - Mislabeled  directory  that  could  prevent  finding  the  release in a ª
ª     dupecheck,  including  incorrect season/episode/date or incorrect title ª
ª   - Dupe                                                                    ª
ª   - Releases may not be propered for bad tagging or missing nfo/sample      ª
ª                                                                             ª
ª   Fixes:                                                                    ª
ª   - The  following  fixes are  allowed: NFOFIX, SAMPLEFIX, DIRFIX, SYNCFIX, ª
ª     PROOFFIX.                                                               ª
ª   - DIRFIX requires NFO and NFO must state which release is being fixed     ª
ª   - The original release shall be unnuked when a valid fix is released      ª
ª   - A proper may not be released for an issue that was fixed, unless the    ª
ª     fix does not completely correct the issue                               ª
ª                                                                             ª
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
ª             The SD x264 TV Releasing Standards 2012 (2012-04-01)            ª
ª                                                                             ª
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
ª                        +--------[ GROUPS ]--------+                         ª
ª                                                                             ª
ª              TVx2642012 rules created by the following groups:              ª
ª              -------------------------------------------------              ª
ª                 aAF ASAP BAJSKORV BARGE C4TV COMPULSiON D2V                 ª
ª                  DiVERGE FTP FUtV KYR LMAO LOL MOMENTUM OTV                 ª
ª                  RiVER SYS TASTETV TLA TRANSiENCE W4F YesTV                 ª
ª                                                                             ª
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
   +----\           Thanks to the x264 developers for their           /----+
    +----\            assistance in determining the best             /----+
     +----\                 mix of encode settings.                 /----+
Changes and additions that I could find:
Spoiler: Toggle
Overall it seems to just be some slight clarifications and some touchups for some of the wording.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by deadbodyman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:18 am

kamaleon wrote:........ mkv are readable on PS3, so U can either use a USB stick or an external HD to plug to your PS3 and watch as before using the PS3.
MP4 is, but since when is MKV? :?

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by kamaleon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:19 am

And i thought my post was pretty self explanatory... here goes for the mkv workaround with the PS3. Have fun!
kamaleon wrote:And finally, if U want to watch mkv files on your PS3, it is possible, but demands a bit of work and the use of a demuxing program, U can find the complete tutorial here: http://www.manolution.com/2011/06/the-c ... -your-ps3/.
It is a bit longer, but should not take more than 10 minutes per movie, so might be worth its while if U watch movies essentially encoded in mkv (French and Asian for instance).

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by deadbodyman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:40 pm

Ahhh yes, mkv2vob.... Actually no longer MKV.
Easier the stream it wifi with ps3ms so no need to convert anything and no need to worry about fat32. ;)

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by DracoDruid » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:03 pm

It late here and I had a long day, so I'm not sure if I missed this but:

Does anyone have a solution for those of us who use an USB stick on their TV/DVD/Whatever that can only play .avi?

.mp4 is okay for my PC, VLC can play those things without any problem.

But as I said, me and my girlfriend like to watch our series on our TV.

Anyone an idea that didn't involve buying some extra device for 30 bucks?

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by MrGregorio » Sat May 05, 2012 8:38 am

Code: Select all

 Release Name----- The.Vampire.Diaries.S03E21.Before.Sunset.READNFO.HDTV.XviD-2HD

It has come time to bid farewell to XviD. We will finish up the current seasons of some of the bigger shows and some of our favorites as well. In addition we'll finish out the current seasons of reality shows that will likely never make it to DVD so that archives can remain in one format. 
 
For stuff that will just be deleted in a matter of weeks or months in archives like current seasons of CSI New York or Persons of Interest, grab the MP4, convert the MKV to XviD or find one of those dirty reencode jobs that are floating around that place where all encodes go to die despite everyones effort to stop them. Has PEE in it.

We no longer have the time to support a dying format and with the recent inactivity of FQM in continuing the XviD format for scripted shows, it seems like it's the right time.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by mc4martyc » Sat May 12, 2012 9:16 am

No mention of the ps3 yet. I use WMP to stream to my ps3 but it will not play these new mp4's. I have all codecs recommended and the files play on my computer but my ps3 tells me the file is corrupt. I assume this is the same for mkv files and have just put one to download to try. However the mkv files are very large. I will also try putting the file directly onto a usb stick and try to play that on the ps3 to see if that makes a difference. I know tversity used to do it but they charge for that now and I don't like paying. I have many iDevices but none have a 42inch screen so would rather stream through my ps3 to watch stuff. Also no way to connect my pc to my tv so streaming is my way.

Just installed the ps3 media server and the mp4's seem to be playing ok. Haven't watched one through completely but did notice that the fast forward doesn't work very well. But it played about 5 mins of the first ep of new mythbusters ok which i couldn't play via wmp.
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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by deadbodyman » Sun May 13, 2012 11:25 pm

You can convert MKV to play on your PS3 and pretty much any other device that supports MPEG.

http://www.mkv2vob.com/showthread.php?tid=1

Click on the forums link if you want to learn more about it. :)

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Post by bushymait » Sat May 19, 2012 9:36 pm

Dataless wrote:I use the avi so I can put it on a USB stick and play in on my DVD player which has a USB port and supports DivX/XviD. It won't play mkv or x264 :(
Did You ever try to play .mkv or x264?
Try a firmware update on that player.. it won't play every file but i'm sure
it will play more than it does actually.. :pir8

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by momijigari » Sun May 20, 2012 2:28 am

sildragon wrote:From: IMPORTANT: Regarding dupe files and reencodes
entei wrote:As of today we will no longer accept any p2p reencodes (as long as a scene rip of same source is available).
sildragon wrote:Are 720p rips counted towards not allowing SD reencodes or just scene SD releases? Same 'source' is a bit unclear. Maybe release type or resolution?
Does the no-reencodes apply to stuff like Good Luck Charlie which currently only has 720p.HDTV releases for S03 (ie no XviD.avi or x264.mp4)?
Same source = as we list releases under (HDTV), (720p), (DVDRip), (WEB-DL), (DVDR), etc, that is what we mean by source.
So that means that if only 720p scene releases or WEB-DL 720p are available, SD/WEBRip re-encodes made from either of those are allowed.

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Post by raffe » Sun May 20, 2012 5:21 pm

If you need a divx/XviD (avi), you can convert the x264 (mp4 or mkv) to divx/XviD (avi). Sometimes I use Freemake to convert to my mobile phone, but there are also other free tools.See here:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Freemake-Video-Converter Rating 9.0/10 (26 votes ) Freeware/Adware
http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/
Freemake Video Converter is a very easy All-In-One converter. Convert video between formats (AVI, MP4, WMV, MKV, SWF, 3GP, MPEG, FLV, M2TS, WebM, OGG), create custom presets, cut, rotate, convert to devices, rip & burn DVD, and upload to YouTube. Embed/burn in subtitles. CUDA support. Requires .NET Framework 4.0. NOTE! This is ADWARE, it includes a browser toolbar(bing or facemoods). It can be disabled when installing. Full description.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MPEG-StreamClip Rating 8.7/10 (38 votes) Freeware
http://www.squared5.com/
You can use MPEG Streamclip to: open most movie formats including MPEG files or transport streams; play them at full screen; edit them with Cut, Copy, Paste, and Trim; set In/Out points and convert them into muxed or demuxed files, or export them to QuickTime, AVI, DV and MPEG-4 files with more than professional quality, so you can easily import them in Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Toast 6 or 7, and use them with many other applications or devices. Requires Quicktime MPEG2 Decoder or Quicktime Alternative 1.81.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/RipBot264 Rating 8.4/10 (41 votes) Freeware
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127611
RipBot264 is a an easy to use All-In-One Converter. Convert from DVD, Blu-ray or any video to iPod, iPad, PSP, PS3, XBOX360, PC, MAC, MP4, MKV, Blu-ray or AVCHD without exotic filters and unnecessary settings. Requires Java 32bit, AVisynth, ffdshow, haali media splitter and .Net Framework.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Format-Factory Rating 8.4/10 (24 votes) Freeware/Adware
http://www.formatoz.com/
Format Factory is a free multifunctional media converter. Provides functions below: All to MP4/3GP/MPG/AVI/WMV/FLV/SWF/MKV. All to MP3/WMA/AMR/OGG/AAC/WAV. All to JPG/BMP/PNG/TIF/ICO/GIF/TGA. Rip DVD to video file , Rip Music CD to audio file. MP4 files support iPod/iPhone/PSP/BlackBerry format. Burn in subtitles from srt/mkv. Source files support RMVB. Based on free software like ffmpeg. Format Factory includes a codec pack(optional) that might cause problems with other video software on your computer.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/XviD4PSP Rating 8.2/10 (51 votes) Free software
http://www.winnydows.com/#News
Xvid4PSP is an easy to use and high quality all-in-one program for converting videos for PSP, PS3, iPod, BlackBerry, Iphone, Nintendo DS, Xbox 360, SonyEricsson, Nokia, Itouch, Blu-ray and PC like AVI, DV, MP4, M2TS, MKV with H.264, XviD, MPEG2 video and AAC, AC3, MP3 audio. Hardcode subtitles. Requires .Net framework.
Find even more software like this here: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections ... rby=Rating

From viewtopic.php?f=9&t=216542 we have also these tips:
sildragon wrote:...
...
Also, in Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change
michaelwtw007 wrote:Thanks. For anyone having problems with mp4 try using Any Video Converter as it's very easy to convert to avi.
http://www.filehippo.com/download_any_video_converter/
There should be a number of converters out there and you can likely do it yourself by extracting the video and audio from something else, converting them to some uncompressed format then converting each to XviD and MP3, respectively, and finally muxing them together in an avi.
Will-I-Am wrote:Go for this:
http://www.any-dvd-converter.com/
Will-I-Am wrote:Here's the topic link for Any DVD Convertor Pro:

viewtopic.php?f=144&t=216566
EDIT: Online reencode:
http://www.convertfiles.com/convert/vid ... o-AVI.html
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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by raffe » Tue May 29, 2012 9:19 am

I do understand. My N900 phone has problems with h.264, so I can't see the new series files on it. But I see it this way:
1. I download an episode ~ 60 minutes (freeware)
2. I transcode/reencode the episode ~ 15 minutes (freeware)
3. Copy the episode to my phone ~ 5 minutes

So It's just 15 minutes longer time than before (until I get my new Galaxy SIII :wink: ), and that is not that much on the whole...

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by simons101 » Wed May 30, 2012 11:45 pm

I've no problem with the new video encoding standards, it's great for file size reduction especially for cartoons (family guy etc.)
I just can't understand why there is a blanket ban on avi's when it is clear there is a demand for them for other users.
When just leaving these links in would please everyone.
what I love about p2p community is that people go out of their way to help/create and yes telling people to re-encode a file
is helpful but if someone has gone to that effort already and shared it , then why delete it.

ps I don't say thx after I download shows as I hate bumping the thread, so a big thx to all who post/monitor/release/sort etc.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by SaltedNuts » Thu May 31, 2012 3:27 pm

The only ones removed are the re-encode after the scene changed to .mp4 (x264), and the reasons are given here. viewtopic.php?f=70&t=218082

There are some who would no doubt prefer to have them in .avi, some would prefer them in .mpg or .wmv. In theory its great, in practice it's a disaster, the sources pool shrinks with every new one added to it.

For those who really need the .avi (XviD) the dvd rips should not be too long.

In the meantime raffe has a good post on re-encoding yourself viewtopic.php?f=58&t=213567&start=90#p1240607

Or if like me you're lazy, you could try the Sumvision Cyclone Micro 2+, pointed out by BFYCanary viewtopic.php?f=58&t=213567&start=60#p1219630

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by sildragon » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:06 pm

patmore01 wrote:Sorry but all this is above my head. I always dl'd avi's and watch them from my media player or straight from external HD through usb on TV. What ones would be best for me now that no-one seems to be posting in avi.
Which media player and TV do you have (so I can lookup format support)?

If you're tv supports the mp4/h264/aac combination, you should just be able to download the new standard-definition format files and play them directly. If you have some kind of iPod/iPad/iPhone thing it should also be able to play them back and maybe you could plug that into the TV.

If nothing you have supports mp4/h264/aac or mkv/h264/ac3, then your best option is converting the files to AVI.
If you have enough bandwidth, downloading the 720p.HDTV.x264.mkv rips then converting them to AVI should yield fairly good quality.
If you have limited bandwidth available, downloading the standard HDTV.x264.mp4 then converting them to AVI should still provide acceptable quality.

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Re: Scene Standard-Definition HDTV format change

Post by Wingnutt » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:07 am

I have found the easiest way to stream video from my pc to my tv is using my cell phone (can also use most tablets as well). I have a Galaxy Note series phone which has an MHL out. From what I understand is a common feature on most newer cell phones. You need a MHL to HDMI adapter to hook it to your tv. Easily found on Amazon or other sites. Just use ES file explorer to connect your phone to your wireless network. Share the drive that you download to (sometimes have to share the actual file as well). Install MX Player on your phone to play files. This player will play all formats. If you need DTS audio support you have to sideload that codec. Can easily be found using Google. Browse to your download file on your PC in ES File explorer and tap file. Use MX to play and your all set. Both ES File Explorer and MX Player can be found for free on the Playstore.Works awesome. Hope this helps.

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